One long term infohub loiterer (2 years and counting)got so bored during is 5 hours sitting on his motorcycle in the Bear Infohub that he was willing to speak to me about why he has been standing there for two years/ Mind you that the sim was completely bogged down in lag today - the scripters hired to work had to leave because nothing would work. Yet 20 of these listless loosers gathered en mass for hours to behave like fools.
[15:52] Lias Leandros: Not look for controversy - just trying to understand - why loiter in a parcel that is in a sim that is lagging out beyong belief, has over 20 avatars and bots in it - and peopel rezzing on the same spot every 3 minutes? Is that a acceptable online experience for you? DO you think you ad to the sim issues?
[15:56] Divemaster Tomorrow: yeah i as well as everyone in any sim add to the issues, its inherently impossible to not, but for me, i just come to you know watch, laugh, help if i can, and say hello to some peeps i;ve known for ages in the place that i was comfy comin into back then, seems that hangouts...ei,clubs n beaches and many other places, i mean aside from like the dedicated sims for a ceratin genre that is, everyone doesnt all go to any one place but places like the hubs where their first socializing moments where spent ya know what i mean hon? i know that was kinda lenghty but had to elaborate
[15:58] Lias Leandros: But as one that is experienced, that is aware of what causes sim issues - I am not sure why you, and your old palyer friends would remain here for several hours with the sim in thsi condition, with these many bots/campers on this one parcel and so many rezzing every three minutes
[16:01] Divemaster Tomorrow: tbh, speaking only for me that is, i actually am working alot of the time online, sometimes i even forget where dive dolly is lmao but it can be lengthy times, i try to leave dive dolly in my home sim if i know i'll be a long time
[16:12] Lias Leandros: well I out this in private chat so it wouldnt be a negative attention thing
[16:12] Lias Leandros: I was really curious
[16:12] Lias Leandros: but I see most of you feel that I am just one and I am not vausing the lag by myself
[16:12] Lias Leandros: So no one individual is to blame
[16:13] Lias Leandros: and no one individual is willing to see there is a sim issue and volunteer to help alleviate the problem
[16:18] Divemaster Tomorrow: hon i know why you feel the way you do but its true that we all contribute to any good or bad the program , systems,servers , and the sims experience, rezzing items that run innificient scrips as well, there seems to be no happy medium to it in any of the sims i frequent as well, i used to think it was my machine alone
[16:18] Lias Leandros: of course when 20 avatars gather on one parcel the sim server feels strain
[16:18] Lias Leandros: we all know that
[16:19] Lias Leandros: when people rez on the same spot over and over again for 24 hours a day it degrades the server also
[16:19] Lias Leandros: I know we all know that
[16:19] Lias Leandros: the bizarre part is that none of you care
[16:19] Lias Leandros: and your all adults with jobs and education
[16:20] Lias Leandros: but the internet allows you to be callous and irresponsible
[16:20] Lias Leandros: and I believe that is the draw of these parking lots to you all
[16:21] Lias Leandros: you all can be rude assholes, its a activity embraced by the service provider - and no one can stop you
[16:21] Lias Leandros: rebels without a cause
[16:21] Lias Leandros: a chatroom with avatars
[16:23] Divemaster Tomorrow: well i concur with you there as well, many if not most think they can let their proverbial hair down in sl to the extent it effects others in adverse ways, saying and doing what they want and acting like asshats, i dont look to nor seek to be or do or be that way to others and have always cared what others think, i'm told its not an attribute but a hinderance
[16:23] Lias Leandros: yet you have been here for several hours with this sim lagging beyond belief
[16:24] Lias Leandros: I thin there is a disconnect with rational adults and this actibity of infohub loitering
[16:24] Divemaster Tomorrow: and nor all are adults, or have jobs and even a decent education tbh, some are quite illiterate and irresponsible both in and out of sl
[16:25] Lias Leandros: actually most of the Bear infohub loiterers are the opposite of that
[16:26] Lias Leandros: I mean they seem t be very passive aggressive and in need of some draa - but they are mostly over 30 with secure real lives
[16:28] Divemaster Tomorrow: my lag is in and out like waves, it really isnt that bad most the time, mine is mostly client side, my pc is a 7yo poc
[16:28] Lias Leandros: its very bad today
[16:29] Lias Leandros: yet you choose to sit in it and add to it
[16:29] Lias Leandros: I just wonder why
[16:31] Divemaster Tomorrow: well it has been a location of and for some of the most hysterical fun i have experienced in sl. just when i start getting grived by waterhead asshats or mornonic individuals i usully just go smoke a spliff and ride something somewhere lol
[16:31] Divemaster Tomorrow: the entertainment factor here has always been a point of interest
[16:33] Divemaster Tomorrow: i am sure of one thing hon, i dont deal well with stress and it is a killer, no one should let anything or anyone trouble them too much Muah! ; *
[16:34] Lias Leandros: Well I entered Sl for what it was advertised for in 2005 - a place to create
[16:34] Lias Leandros: The new SLer wants a 3D Chatroom - with very little or no fees attached
[16:35] Lias Leandros: Linden Lab wants the warm bodies
[16:35] Lias Leandros: surely no one comes into Second Life, invests with the sole intention of experiencing stress and drama
[16:35] Lias Leandros: like the open sim debacle - the stress and drama was bought to the paying customer
[16:36] Lias Leandros: as this parking lot was brought to me
[16:37] Divemaster Tomorrow: yes i know , and finding some happy medium for everything should be what we all strive for in life everywhere, seems to be my quest , not always the business persons though, the lindens arent in it for the fun factor we know
[16:39] Divemaster Tomorrow: we are all on the same planet and after mainly the same things, we should by now be able to all get along in that common cause but were human, and its no wonder no one in the vastness of space wants anything to do with us, or let us openly know they exist
[16:40] Divemaster Tomorrow: barbarians still and the most competitive living things we know of, cant say i blame anyone out there
[16:41] Lias Leandros: Wel I am in for the 'fun factor' but not at the expense of anyone else
[16:41] Lias Leandros: and that is what is missing from the smallpopulation of peopel that loiter in these places
[16:41] Lias Leandros: and it is just a small mindset that engages in this activity
[16:42] Divemaster Tomorrow: many dont care , its a generation thing
[16:42] Lias Leandros: I thin it is a 'follower' thing
[16:42] Lias Leandros: The true sociopaths lead the loitering cause
[16:42] Divemaster Tomorrow: i have found many people are extremely insecure
[16:42] Lias Leandros: the weak - the ones desperately looking to 'fit in' follow
[16:43] Lias Leandros: then the ones in the middle (as you) just hang out and will continue to do so because they do nto see themselves as part of the problem
[16:44] Lias Leandros: well it does take a level of insecurity and abject loneliness to find this activity fulfilling
[16:48] Divemaster Tomorrow: i come in sl for the freedom, i do my best to remain inside guidlines that are placed, but like you, i wont let others dictate to me what i can or cannot do inside those guidelines nor take away from me my ability to enjoy doing what i want and can and when i want to do them at my expense, its hard enough for me to deal with guidelines and rules and still enjoy life in or out of sl lol
[16:49] Lias Leandros: Not like me - I allow dictates all of the time
[16:49] Lias Leandros: I embrace community dictates
[16:49] Lias Leandros: that is why I invested in the purchase of land in the community
[16:50] Divemaster Tomorrow: i have been waiting for the proverbial shit ta hit the fan with copywrited items and now brand names, the adult mature pg shit, its all hittin the fan now and took alot longer then imagined they would
[16:50] Lias Leandros: and it is not what you do at your own expense - it is the expense of others that is the issue in a community
[16:59] Divemaster Tomorrow is typing...
[16:59] Divemaster Tomorrow: well i wont sacrifice my fun at others expenses intentionally, inadvertainly it happens, i try not to impose that on anyone else. i try to be fair but being middle of the road isnt easy, i have always had a hard time with authority and one reason i joned the military was to try to learn to cope with it, to think of living in a community unless it was or resembles something from the late 60's is beyond what i can deal with when it comes to owning a home out of sl, and probably would be just the same in sl, regulations and taxes are what we in the usa have always fought against not for, divided we fall yes but united we stand is true when it comes to a fight or defense or getting something changed, but to not be able to use a certain color or fence about my property i wont tolerate
[17:02] Lias Leandros: well it can be concluded after you loitering here for over a year (if not longer) it is quite intentional - since you are well aware of the issue - Unless you refuse to accept what the issue is
[17:02] Divemaster Tomorrow: atm my lag is horrible, just went beserk
[17:02] Lias Leandros: its not just your lag - its the entire server
[17:02] Lias Leandros: reacting the traffic, bots and loitering here
[17:03] Divemaster Tomorrow: tbh i didnt think there was any issue here that isnt experienced in every sim unless privately owned
[17:04] Divemaster Tomorrow: theres is no difference anywhere i go and i am like jack kerouac and have been to every info hub and tons of sims, the info hub sims are always horrendous, it comes with the territorty imho
[17:05] Lias Leandros: yes the infohub sims are always horrendous
[17:06] Lias Leandros: so why be part of the problem?
[17:06] Lias Leandros: because to be mildly entertained by a groiup of fools is worth being in the wrong?
[17:10] Divemaster Tomorrow: if i ever had a business i would never want to have it in a sim with an infohub even though the target market may all be there, i wouldnt have a home on a sim with an infohub as well, i came to that conclusion the third day i was in world
[17:11] Lias Leandros: You do remember I was here before a infohub
[17:11] Lias Leandros: and that in the purest form of a infohub in my day
[17:11] Lias Leandros: it was not meant to be abused like this
[17:12] Divemaster Tomorrow: yes and i felt for you when they made one here trully, but i was hoping that it would be a good thing for business, maybe not for living but it had adverse effects i know
[17:12] Divemaster Tomorrow: thats linden labs all over!
[17:13] Lias Leandros: agreed to make one for the new players
[17:13] Lias Leandros: then you all NON new players decided to take it over
[17:13] Lias Leandros: we lost the First Land program because of abuses
[17:14] Lias Leandros: and sadly, mainland infohubs will suffer the same fate because of the mass loitering and harassment
[17:14] Lias Leandros: hear the conversation here?
[17:14] Lias Leandros: calling jews and Christians names?
[17:15] Lias Leandros: is this a first experience worthy of a cutting edge world?
[17:16] Divemaster Tomorrow: i actually thought the co-op would be good for moving aforementioned non new players away from the hub but it never would help the lag being in the same sim obviously, but the thought was there at least
[17:16] Lias Leandros: it did help because no member of the co-op had the ability to create community
[17:17] Divemaster Tomorrow: oh ive heard shit you wouldnt believe lias, people coming here and saying 911 wasnt enough and didnt kill enough of us new yorkers
[17:17] Lias Leandros: the co-opers just wanted negative attention ina parking lot
[17:17] Lias Leandros: Its sad you all find this entertainement in a cutting edge 3D world
[17:18] Lias Leandros: you lower the standards and beloittle the efforts peopel put in to make this the first place one can build and develop new experiences
[17:18] Lias Leandros: the old experience of just chatting and trying to be more gross than the other is not one that needs to take over Second Life
[17:18] Lias Leandros: yet you loitering players want SL to be this
[17:19] Lias Leandros: and that is sad
[17:22] Divemaster Tomorrow: whats sad is that you lump everyone into the same category that is or comes here, i try to avoid categorizing and stereotyping at all costs, sl is this as well as many other things, this is one part of it people find entertaining as i mentioned before that it can be to me, i like entertainment, and if you think this is the only form i like or partake of your loco, i cant even explain to people the extent of what sl has to offer, but this part can be fun shit yeah, or unbeleivibly sad and pathetic at times sadly as well, i try to take the good with the bad and cope and not stress
[17:22] Divemaster Tomorrow: sl is all things
[17:22] Divemaster Tomorrow: and unfathomably deep with content
[17:23] Lias Leandros: I am only talking to the ones that do this as part of their SL for over a year
[17:23] Lias Leandros: not everyone in SL
[17:23] Lias Leandros: Infohub Loiterers are a distinct group
[17:23] Lias Leandros: with a distince thought pattern
[17:24] Divemaster Tomorrow: i come here and do nothing so i must be part of that category obviously, but like i said, this is only an infinitesmal part of what i enjoy as entertainment
[17:25] Lias Leandros: well you have enjoyed this for over 4 hours today
[17:25] Lias Leandros: as has many of the other loiterers
[17:25] Lias Leandros: because - just like at the co-op- if you did not have any idiots to watch - you would not sit here
[17:27] Divemaster Tomorrow: tbh i havent a clue and am not keeping track, i come in to forget about time as well if i can, unless working of course ; P but its not the idiots i come to bear infohub to experience for entertainment, they are just a sideshow
[17:28] Divemaster Tomorrow: and they are everywhere not just here, i spend time in many places not just here
[17:29] Lias Leandros: no matter the condition of the sim - or the crowding in the infohub - you wil come and entertain yourself
[17:37] Divemaster Tomorrow: i try to remain where i want to be regardless of lag but thats not always possible, when for example a biker sim i'm hanging and riding in gets so lagged i cant ride, i leave, unless we stay just to socialize on voice regardless of the lag, doesnt matter what sim it is more of what one wants to do in that sim
[17:37] Divemaster Tomorrow: and whats capable at the time
[17:37] Lias Leandros: I see \so the sim condition is not a factor when loitering'
[17:37] Lias Leandros: well of course not
[17:38] Lias Leandros: your not actually doing anything
[17:38] Lias Leandros: as long as voice doesnt crash you are fine
[17:39] Lias Leandros: Do you hear them calling this a chatroom?
[17:39] Lias Leandros: and that is the mentality
[17:40] Divemaster Tomorrow: yeah some think thats all it is or all they want to do
[17:40] Lias Leandros: yeah - your one of them
[17:40] Lias Leandros: you have been here for 5 hours
[17:40] Lias Leandros: I thank you for speaking to me
[17:40] Lias Leandros: because I see more clearly the mindset of the loiterer
[17:43] Lias Leandros: Moosebeach is the new full sim infohub - but because it is always full the sim next to it gets all of the overflow loiterers. The owners of the land in the sim next door to the infohub complain that they cant enter their own land - and Linden Lab said they would do nothing about it
[17:44] Divemaster Tomorrow: lias, i always speak to you, and regardless of what anyone thinks or feels about you or i damn straight, and the derigotory "mindset of a loiterer" comment i let roll of and bite my tongue when it comes to saying to you what i feel, i try to be civil, and level headed and to keep friendly with all people, sadly there are some that will never find their happy medium in anything, n p.s. i have been here when there is no one on/in the sim and experience just as much lag as now and worse at times
[17:45] Lias Leandros: there has never been any attempt to reach anything resembling a happy medium
[17:45] Lias Leandros: as you said - you come to do as you please and that is your only concern
[17:45] Lias Leandros: you and the others obviouslky have the same attitude
[17:46] Lias Leandros: The sim experiences the same lag because of the constant teleporting to thsi parcel - new teleport and rezz every 3 minutes 24 hours a day
[17:46] Lias Leandros: on top of that the bots stuck here 24 hours a day
[17:46] Lias Leandros: and then of course - the loiterers
[17:46] Lias Leandros: all adds up to wasted sim resources for the sake of nothing
[17:48] Divemaster Tomorrow is typing...
[17:49] Divemaster Tomorrow: well you will believe what you want and about whom you want regardless i have always seen, i try to remain neutral and cant even relate to you except to be "for your insight" into a "loiterer" you call things the way you see them and that wont change, and ya know, your not always correct m'dear, infact, way of base and hypocritical most the time, not to mention contradictory , you have to somehow get a grip and come to terms with the persons whom make the differences and cause the troubles you think are caused by people, again i have been here and in many sims with no avatars present and found the same and worse lag, you chosse the place, linedns erected a hub, fight with them, not your fellow human beings luv
[17:50] Lias Leandros: lindens made a first land program
[17:51] Lias Leandros: lindens made roadside parcels
[17:51] Lias Leandros: it took peopel like you to abuse these Linden made things
[17:51] Lias Leandros: the fault is where it should be Divemaster
[17:51] Lias Leandros: explouts are caused by expliters
[17:51] Lias Leandros: not te service provider
[17:51] Divemaster Tomorrow: it takes no one but the linden labs to alter, or allow anything in world to take place
[17:52] Lias Leandros: they over estimate the human condition
[17:52] Lias Leandros: thats their major fault
[17:52] Lias Leandros: sadly rules ontop of rules are needed to control adults
[17:52] Lias Leandros: self control goes out of the window
